A beatdown

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  • #16222
    RichH
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    D outclassed by FU talent. Some missed tackles but they are not the story. Inside runs by FU ,Edmonds as good as advertised.DL totally dominated.
    O didn’t p;ay badly,just not enuf to keep up with FU.
    A real ass whuppin today.

    #16223

    CHIP72
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    In all honesty, Lehigh’s defense has experienced an ass-whipping almost every week this year. This game wasn’t as bad as I thought it could be.

    #16224
    RichH
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    True could’ve been much worse. Also,could have been a little better. To win needed FU to be flat. They weren’t. Yosha,Pelletier,Kelsey,Nick,Leigh give us an excellent core with most of OL returning.
    Siegenthaler,Lawson,et al actually give us a lot of returning talent. Better coaching and Dline and we’ll be OK.

    #16225
    van
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    have to disagree on the O, Shaf is a gamer but not a good enough passer to lead this O effectively, if Mayes is as good as advertised we may have something next year

    #16226
    RichH
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    His problem today wasn’t the throws,it was his reads.Better at making correct reads but he was too late on his passes. A number of plays,he hit target a count or two late.Plays that should have gone for more yds didn’t. Stopped a number of drives. Andy noted this week that in HS Nick never had to make reads but that he is improving.
    Noticed that Folmar went wih Sodeke and Yosha in the backfield.
    QB competition next yr could be fierce with him, Matt and Mayes. Not to mention Craven.

    #16227
    hawkineer
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    Pelletier may be talented but dropped far too many balls today. Shafniskey is a warrior. Sodeke ran great. Made some tough runs all day. Parrish made a nice catch for the TD. Listened to the radio broadcast at the game. Lance Haynes absolutely apoplectic regarding the awful tackling and poor angles the defense takes to the ball carrier. He also said the same thing that I have been saying regarding get Nick in a rhythm early – short passes, no huddle.

    I also stick to earlier post. Pandy is an absolute waste of a scholarship. Two kickoffs out of bound again today. Very deflating way to start the game or follow a score.

    I have a question, Why isn’t Coen more engaged during the game? I never see him interacting with either unit. Just once I’d like to see him talk to, yell at, throw a headset at (figuratively) the defense.

    • This reply was modified 6 years ago by hawkineer hawkineer.
    #16228

    Miller
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    Rich when you mention QB competition next year,and the fact that Nick is the starter this year…..????Makes me think about Clark vs Lum. The coaches got it right then, hope they do make it an open competition, and the best man wins. Sometimes you start to wonder though.
    127 yards and 7.9/completion are not what we are used to.

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    #16230

    Miller
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    Agree with you hawkineer, Coen doesn’t look focused on game day, his mind is not on the task at hand. He used to show emotion and fire but something is different this year.

    #16232
    sundayamqb
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    I’m in sync with Hawkineer, Van and RichH, on reads:

    Shaf is a great football player — no INTs today when his WR corps and OL could certainly have forced him into a few. He IS a gamer — his running is solid, and he’s fearless.

    BUT — and it’s a big BUT; he isn’t a prototypical LU QB. He continues to display an average arm. His reads got better. LU tried the throwback play a few times, connected on one I saw, but the receivers were covered a few other times and Shaf looked elsewhere — but guys were covered. Other times he did not pass to some open safety-valve-type guys when he could have.

    Other than Parris, who had a great game, Shaf got little extra help from his WRs.

    It’d be nice to get fullbacks and TEs more into this offense as weapons. The O seems awfully vanilla. The offense, overall, is mediocre; certainly not good enough to play with such a porous D.

    No clue on Mayes, but Timochenko ought to get a shot, this year. He may have best arm on team.

    If Pandy gets a schollie, it is a waste. I know ninth-graders who are more consistent.

    Our DL and LBs got destroyed again today. Sure, they can play against weaker competition (Cornell), but they — as a unit — can’t hack it for 60 mins against good FCS offenses. If I were playing CB, I’d be embarrassed with getting beat routinely and having to put my hands in faces of WRs, or getting juked routinely while trying to make tackles.

    That said, the D played WAY better in the second half. They started to stuff the runs. Adjustments? Personnel changes?

    Good news is that in coming weeks we play against teams we should match up well with; and if all goes right we’ll be in middle of PL.

    Which could mean:

    — Fordham is No.1 — they had a two-year start on schollies.
    — Bucknell has outrecruited us.

    If that’s the outcome for the next two years, it makes sense; no big deal, right?

    I predicted 52-35; got 48-27, but did not see us getting so badly pummeled on the ground.

    #16233
    RichH
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    Most telling D stat from today Lambert and Lawson made 20 tackles,almost half of those made by D.
    I dont recallany O sets with a FB today. Oagainn seemed 1 dimensional at least insofaras playcalling. Dont know whether this is due to circumstances or it is Folmar. Admit, I liked the idea of switching up with both Yosh and Sodeke in the backfield.
    FU WRs outmatched are 2ndary in size,experience and talent. That said there was too many missed or poor tackles .Some of that was the shiftiness of FU RBs. Both are very good.

    I look at the kids on our D. Very athletic with more than decent speed. Size at DL and ILB is anissue but it is not the only reason we keep getting decimated on the LOS. We’ve had smaller DLs that were much more effective. We’ve also had LBs in the 210-15 range that were ALL PL. To me the major reason has to be coaching.Yes,all of our losses have been to very good teams and we have a lot of new players on the field. 7 games in ,they are not new anymore. There has been some improvement( hell,we only gave up 587 yds today) but no change in result. D does not make clutch plays. No stops consistently on 3rd down. Today the front 7 seemed more interested in hand fighting with blockers instead of locating and tackling the runner. Their RBs were in the 2ndary while our guys were still milling around with blockers.

    Our last games will likely be more competitive . My sole hope is we beat Pards.
    I have no idea what Andy should do on the sidelines to remedy our issues.
    Do we fire all the D staff? Hell,that’s wreak havoc with recruiting,but maybe the answer. Pf course that presumes the next batch are any better.

    #16234

    Doc Qb
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    Fordham has more talent, more seniors, is coming off a solid 2013, and has intact coaching staff. It all showed today.

    The front seven did provide more pressure than it has all year against a solid and veteran Oline. Doing that against a team where the QB isnt making the checks or protection calls (Nebrich looks as Moorhead DIRECTLY or gets a signal every passing down after a dummy cadence) is a good thing, the pressuring a talented O in system run by the coach and NOT the QB. Wasnt how Air Lehigh did it with Hank, I cam tell u from experience.

    Where we got jacked up today was in the secondary. I have never seen DBs get beat so regularly and when they somehow recover or regain position, look so unathletic in making a play on the ball. They would fight to get back into position, only to look hapless once the closed the gap. Too many PI calls on these plays, and half the time they make the damn catch anyway. Thats on coaches for not drilling the kids enough (it happens weekly) or the players for just not being talented enough.

    The offense still baffled me. We dont start with confidence building throws, still run that f$&cking slow developing counter on third and short (nar dont convert), threw no screens, no delays out of backfield or to TE, short option routes to TE non-existant. This week, at least, Shaf ate the ball rather than force it. Fordham DBs were coasting stride for steide w our WRs all day, even the throwbacks were covered well. Folmar put up big number a few times as OC at Kutztown, but I am beginning to wonder if he was the beneficiary of a qb and wr there who instead of playing up a level, shredded D2 schools and made their OC look artificially good.

    If we pin them deep when their returner inexplicanly allowed the only kickoff Pandy didnt put out of bounds, hold them and follow it with a scoring drive, the game could have been interesting. Instead, players got out of lanes, kid returned it to 20, they put together a scoring drive. We’re not doing the little things or the big ones.

    #16235
    RichH
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    Dont disagree Doc that we got more pressure on Nebrich. My problem is we were totally unable to stop runs. DBs didn’t look great more as a result of FUs talented sr WRs than on just being bad.
    I.too,remain unsettled with Folmar. Not quite sure what I see on the field but it is not Air Lehigh. More similar to our last OC’s potluck O. He seems to have a preconceived O scheme in his head that he will not vary from. That scheme does not seem to include FBs at all,nor screens.
    May well be that Andy will be doing all the recruiting :)

    #16236
    sundayamqb
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    Great points, Doc Qb — glad you noted the bizarre kick return. We rarely took advantage of FU flubs.

    Good news is that we played a relatively close game against top competition — at least compared to Texas Tech, 82-27 losers vs. TCU. That must have been truly ugly.

    #16237
    RichH
    RichH
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    Sunday
    Wish I could find the rays of sunshine that you do. Glad that you do tho. There was some positives from today. To me having Kelsey on the field finally fit bodes well for us moving forward. We are gonna need to outscore our remaing opponents.

    #16238
    hawkineer
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    “Do we fire all the D staff? Hell,that’s wreak havoc with recruiting,but maybe the answer. Of course that presumes the next batch are any better.”
    I would like to understand why Coen is getting a pass. It is HIS staff. He picked them. If the whole defensive staff should be fired, then Andy did a lousy job hiring them. If we are concerned that the next batch won’t be any better, then the real problem is Andy.

    Folmar’s play calling is certainly not typical Lehigh. Zero effort to stretch the field, use the tight ends, or running backs. I am trying to remember a screen pass being thrown. Andy is an ex-OC. Why doesn’t he take more control?

    Ultimately this is about winning games and not about the feelings of his coaching staff.

    As I stated above, he seems disconnected on the sidelines. Perhaps, if he exhibited some pride and passion during the game, it might rub off on the team. Listening to the post game interview and press conference, he seems completely bewildered from an Xs and Os perspective by the current mess. Didn’t fill me with much confidence regarding the next four games.

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