Brett Reed offseason

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  • #13911

    lehigh90
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    Anybody have a thought on whether or not Reed is a candidate for any openings this offseason. Off the top of my head Bowling Green (Louis Orr) and Appalachian State (Jason Capel) have openings. More jobs should open shortly. Both would be a step up in money and perhaps prestige. Is the window closed on Reed leaving Lehigh as he has had 2 seasons without an NCAA appearance? Is he a lifer, or will he look to move when he pushes another team into the Tournament?

    #13914
    StablerBum
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    I don’t see it honestly. I’m not sure Reed is interested in leaving first of all. He seems very comfortable where he is. Also, I’m not sold he is a hot commodity for other schools. He has proven to be a solid recruiter at a high academic school, which is definitely a plus on his resume. However, he had a lottery pick in what is typically a low major league which led to much of his success on the court. He only has one signature win (Duke) and I believe the only other BCS victory he has is over a bad Rutgers team in 08-09.

    If he wins the league again without CJ, I think that elevates him as a candidate, but I don’t see it right now. Brett Reed is now 43-47 in 3 years without CJ McCollum, and 86-44 with CJ (that includes CJ’s senior year when injured). I think Reed has the program in a pretty good spot, but I think he needs at least one more really nice year if he wants to move on.

    #13915

    toddcudd
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    Unfortunately, I doubt that there’s any such thing as a lifer at mid-majors, these days. I’d have to guess that the opportunity to step up to a major conference would just be too attractive – money, prestige, everything. That said, I’m also hopeful that we can hold onto Coach Reed through at least one more post-season charge…

    #13916
    jimk72
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    From all the vibes I’ve gotten the last several years Doc seems very happy with this situation, and the feeling seems mutual in the administration. For those reasons I think a bigger program would have to go after him, rather than him wanting to leave. And at this point I think a bigger program would go for a flashier guy with similar credentials before aggressively pursuing Reed. But if he hits another NCAA trip with this new group of players, or an NCAA win again, it would be hard to turn down the type of offers he’d field. And at that point he’d have been here 8,9,10 years? And it would no doubt be a better opportunity than a MAC team…..

    #13917

    lehigh90
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    Interesting comments. Had two thoughts. I would agree that it is hard to be a lifer at a mid-major. However, I think you get to a certain age, where you are unlikely to move on, and become a lifer. Reed is far too young for that at this point. But, I would call a guy like Fran O’Hanlon at Lafayette, a lifer. He has made the NCAA’s and had some good teams, but he has been there probably close to 20 years, has local ties, and probably isn’t going anywhere. Plus, he is in his mid 60’s, now. But, he never jumped when he may have been able to, after back to back NCAA’s, in the late 90’s. Perhaps, he is a lifer, by default, but that can happen.

    Second thought is the next move for a mid-major guy. And, when I say mid-major, the PL would be near the bottom of the mid-major totem pole. It is almost impossible to jump from the PL to a BCS type conference. I look at the guys who jumped recently and they all stepped up to a mediocre level. Jeff Jones left American and ended up at Old Dominion. A better job, but probably the 5th best job in Virginia (behind UVA, Va Tech, VCU, Richmond, maybe others). Billy Taylor jumped to the MAC, at Ball State, and flamed out there. I’m sure there are others. Can’t think of anyone that jumped recently that had a ton of success. Flannery probably could have jumped after his success at Bucknell to a decent level, but never did. Perhaps because he played at Bucknell and was a PA guy, he had no desire to leave. You have to be young and in demand, and the window can often be only a few months. If you miss it, it may not come back. Maybe a guy like Paulsen could move up a level, based on his success at Bucknell. You probably have to make a deeper NCAA run to get a ton of interest, like the Florida Gulf Coast guy who jumped to USC after their run. One upset might not do it, although a Sweet 16 would.

    The current coach at Wichita State, Gregg Marshall, has to be the hottest commodity at this point. A Final Four followed up by an undefeated season, coming out of the Missouri Valley, I would think the big boys are salivating for him. Also, a guy like Greg McDermott looks to be jumping up. His son is leaving and he has really elevated Creighton. Unfortunately, for him, he flamed out in his big chance at Iowa State. Maybe he sticks around Omaha.

    #13918
    StablerBum
    StablerBum
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    Guys like Marshall and McDermott can afford to be very picky when it comes to jobs. If I were Marshall, I would never leave Wichita State for a DePaul, Texas Tech, etc. Shaka Smart turned down UCLA last offseason as well. I would vote Creighton as a better job than Iowa State too. McDermott is earning $1.4 mill and Creighton was 6th in the country last year in attendance at over 17k. There will always be the lure of the real blue bloods but how many of those are there really?

    It is interesting that the PL has not developed many coaches that moved on. Flannery retired after his success, and Willard left to become an assistant to his pal Pitino after his. Billy Taylor moved on without success. Jeff Jones has done a decent job at ODU after NOT leaving at the height of his AU success. I can’t really think of any outright success stories in recent memory.

    #13920

    lehigh90
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    Agree on Marshall and McDermott. Nice thing for those two is they are really big fish in tiny ponds, where they are the show. No pro teams to compete with in those spots. Nice money for sure. Only downside is recruiting. Can’t be easy to draw studs to Omaha and Wichita on a consistent basis. Mark Few has done pretty well at Gonzaga, but he plays in such a weak conference that the NCAA appearance is almost guaranteed.

    There are not going to be a lot of great jobs available this offseason. Perhaps the bottom feeders in the SEC may look to upgrade, but hard to win in those spots, unless you are Kentucky or Billy Donovan. Football will always be king. DePaul has become a terrible job, and really has been since Old Man Meyer left. The days of Notre Dame/DePaul as the only game on a Saturday afternoon in February with Al McGuire, Dick Enberg and Billy Packer in the booth are long gone. ND and DePaul are fairly irrelevant in college hoops. Texas Tech is also a wasteland as nobody, players or coaches, want to go to Lubbock, it seems.

    You would have thought that nobody would ever turn down UCLA. Shocking that Shaka did. There, along with UNC, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky and perhaps Syracuse seem to be the real golden trophy jobs.

    #13922
    StablerBum
    StablerBum
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    There, along with UNC, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky and perhaps Syracuse seem to be the real golden trophy jobs.

    You’re spot on in my book. Those are probably the real Tier 1 jobs, and I’d add in Indiana too. Arizona, Georgetown, Louisville, and St. John’s are up there as well but likely a notch below.

    #13923

    toddcudd
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    Hey, this has turned into a surprisingly fun thread! I’m finding it harder than I might have expected to draw the line under the true, Tier 1 Blue Chips jobs. But I definitely agree with SBum that Indiana belongs in that group. After that it gets really hard, for me. Based on the history/legacy stuff, it’s hard to exclude UCLA – but they have certainly slipped. I think you could make the argument that Stanford would be a more attractive job, now.
    I also think you could certainly make the argument that Syracuse belongs there; but if so, shouldn’t G-town be there too? Then it gets more complicated – maybe it’s the 2nd grouping. Michigan, Michigan St., UConn, maybe Ohio St. along with the others SBum listed.
    I would think that as a mid-major coach it would be pretty tough to turn down any ACC, Big 10, or classic Big East HC jobs. Even the lesser teams in those conferences. I’ve never really followed SEC or Big 12 hoops closely, but I’d imagine there are quite a few jewels there, too. If you were Doc, could you really ignore a Wake Forest or Seton Hall offer? I hope he’s grown attached to LU; if we have another good run, that’s our only hope, I suspect. Shaka is a really shocking exception in my book. I knew he was a hot commodity, but I didn’t know he turned down UCLA. Wow!! Must be more to that story. Too much “roots” on the east coast – family, etc.? Has to be something like that, I think.
    I don’t really include the O’Hanlons in the equation. He became a “lifer” before the world changed. I can’t quite put my finger on when that change happened – but I think it did.

    #13924

    LUHoops00
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    Agree with everyone, odds of BR jumping was last year but I think he needs to hit ncaa again with current frosh and then has a potential exit point after TK leaves.

    #13925

    TMH
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    Maybe only slightly O-T but I thought I’d put together a small list of HCs for current Patriot League teams and then moved on to bigger things
    1.)Bobby Knight-Army
    Interestingly, BK was 11-13 in his final year at Army before moving on to Indiana. 902-371 career.
    2.)Mike Krzyzwski-Army
    Also of interest, Coach K was 9-17 during his last year at USMA and 38-47 during his 1st 3 years at Duke. 981-304 career.
    3.)Rick Pitino-Boston University
    Providence, Kentucky & Louisville (690-244 career)
    4.)Pete Carril-Lehigh
    Pete was 11-12 during his 1 year at Lehigh before finishing with a career record 525-273 (bal at Princeton)
    5.)Jim Valvano-Bucknell
    Jimmy V was 33-42 at Bucknell before going to Iona then winning a National Championship and 2 Elite 8s at NC State.
    6.)Dr. Tom Davis-Lafayette
    Parlayed his success at LC to go to BC, Stanford, Iowa and Drake. Career record 598-355
    7.)Gary Williams-American
    Went from AU to BC, Ohio St, and Maryland. Career record 668-380.
    8.)Mike Jarvis-BU
    Went to George Washington and St. John’s (110-61). Now at Florida-Atlantic. Career 422-313.

    In addition:Roy Chipman (LC) became a successful coach at Pitt, Fran McCaffrey (LU) is now enjoying success at Iowa.
    Most notably perhaps Butch Van BredKolff (LC) and Brian Hill (LU) both went on to be Head Coaches in the NBA.
    Perhaps the Patriot League is not entirely a bad place to launch a career.

    #13942

    lehigh90
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    TMH, all true, but all 30+ years ago. Nothing recently.

    I forgot Indiana and Arizona, not tip top, but close. Creen has saved IU, as it was dropping like a stone after Knight. I think the job that has dropped the most over the last 30 years is St. John’s. After Carnasecca, that has turned into a wasteland. Georgetown becoming less and less relevant as well.

    #14496
    StablerBum
    StablerBum
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    I don’t think it’s anything to get worked up about, but Reed is mentioned as a candidate for the Marist job via Hoopdirt. Adam Zagoria also has an update on the Marist interview candidates that does NOT include Reed. Reed was also reportedly a candidate for Marist last offseason when that job was also open.

    I have a hard time seeing this happen for a number of reasons including it being a lateral move, Reed seeming very comfortable where he is, and a number of other high quality candidates out there for Marist. If Reed really wanted to leave for whatever reason, this is probably the level job he would be in line for in my opinion. If he wants a real promotion in the coaching world he is going to need to get back to the NCAA’s sans CJ/GK/HG and maybe do something while there.

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