Controlling Destiny

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  • #1705

    LU65
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    The PL website tells us that…………….

    Lehigh and Bucknell control their own destiny to lock up a home game in the Patriot League quarterfinals. The Mountain Hawks will do so with a win over Lafayette or a loss by American, while Bucknell can seal its spot in the top four with a win. Navy can guarantee a third straight home quarterfinal game with a win over Army on Saturday followed with a loss by either Lafayette or American on Sunday.

    As for winning it all and by that I mean finishing first at the conclusion of regular season play and capturing at least a bid to the NIT’s, here’s one way (there are other) each member of today’s top three can get to the promised land:

    LU – at 8-3, simply win-out
    BU – at 7-4, win-out and hope Navy drops one of their final three*
    Navy – at 7-4, win-out and hope Lehigh drops one of their final three*

    * made necessary since Navy has gone 2-0 against both LU and BU

    CBS College Sports TV ratings should soar tomorrow in both the Lehigh Valley and Harrisburg markets as Army host Navy in a nationally televised game. Go Black Knights!

    #1711

    LU65
    Participant

    ARMY 69 – NAVY 50 THIS AFTERNOON……..BOTH LU AND BU CONTROL THEIR OWN DESTINY.

    Army proves "D" wins game in the PL, shutting down Cliff Harris (2 for 17) and the Naval 3’s (1-19).

    LU needs to post a "W" tomorrow to keep pace.

    Glad it’s Bucknell that’s traveling to Army next weekend to close out the season and not us.

    Stabler should be rocking (for a change) next Wednesday night when The Bison come to town.

    #1712

    norcalfan
    Participant

    Can’t wait for the BU and LU matchup. This is huge!

    #1726

    LU65
    Participant

    Believe it or not, we still control our own destiny. Win out and we’re in – first and first place alone when league play comes to an end on Saturday night. But so, too, does Bucknell control their own destiny. Nothing has really changed. They beat us in January and if they beat us again on Wednesday and go on to beat Army on Saturday, they claim First prize. But, it appears now (someone please correct me if I’m wrong) that any one of the top four teams (LU, BU, Navy, and LC) can finish the year atop the standings with the right combination of wins and losses on Wednesday and Saturday. With Lafayette and Navy in close pursuit, there are far too many combination of wins and losses to review in this space. Heck, why not a 4-way tie at the top – all teams finishing 9-5! It’s possible should………..

    LC win out beating American and Army
    Navy win out beating AU and Colgate
    BU loses to LU but beats Army
    LU beats BU but loses to HC

    If you’re in to scoreboard watching and rooting for your favorite "other" PL team, might I suggest you pull for……….

    Army to first knock off Lafayette on Wednesday and then BU on Saturday – both game to be played at West Point

    American to beat Navy in Annapolis on Wednesday and then beat Lafayette at home on Saturday

    Colgate to defeat Navy on Saturday

    For those who wish to bone-up on the PL Tie-breaker rules (they will no doubt be in play this weekend), I refer you to PL website

    http://www.patriotleague.org/sports/m-b … 08aaa.html

    or a more knowledgeable poster. Bison 137 where are you?

    #1727
    Bison137
    Bison137
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    A couple of comments:

    1. Navy, by virtue of its 4-0 record vs BU and LU, holds all the 1st place tiebreakers should they be involved in a tie with one or both of those two.

    2. Should LU beat BU but lose to HC while BU was beating Army – coupled with a loss by both Navy and LC in one of their last two games – then the tiebreaker would come down to each team’s RPI, since the two teams would have then split with each other and both teams would have identical records against every PL team. That would give LU the #1 seed.

    3. Should BU beat LU, they hold the tiebreaker over LU regardless of what the two teams do in their last game. However should Navy get into a tie, then they would prevail over BU and LU.

    4. LC prevails over BU or LU due to its better record against Navy. LC also prevails in any 3-way tie with Navy and either BU or LU.

    #1728

    LU65
    Participant

    Thanks, 137.

    Will you and/or other BU fans be making the trip to Stabler? Chance to meet?

    #1729

    lfnadmin
    Keymaster

    I’m looking at this field one more time, and – honestly – anyone can beat anyone. Right now Colgate is No. 8, but under no circumstance do I think that they are a gimme against Lehigh, even at the STAR.

    Let’s say, too, that (against all odds) the first round shows all the upper seed winning and the semifinals are Navy vs LU at the STAR and it’s LC vs Bucknell at Sojka. You could flip a coin in those games – the gap between the top four teams is that close. You could make an argument that the away teams should be favored in both games!

    #1752

    Mtnhwkfan
    Participant

    So if I have this right…if Lehigh loses Saturday against Holy Cross and Lafayette wins against American, Lafayette wins the top seed by virtue of their 2-0 record against Navy who would be the next top seeded team.

    #1753

    lfnadmin
    Keymaster

    The Last Four Games

    Holy Cross @ Lehigh
    Lafayette @ American
    Bucknell @ Army
    Navy @ Colgate

    Key to note here is that Lehigh’s game is at 7:05 while the rest start at 4PM, so Lehigh will know what they need to do in order to get the No. 1 seed (and, likely, who they will be playing).

    Tiebreakers Scenarios going into Saturday night (unofficial, the math is mine):

    Winners:
    LC BU Navy : Lehigh needs to win to clinch No. 1 seed (three way tie situation with Bucknell, Lehigh 0-2 vs. Navy). Loss drops LU to No. 2 seed (still win tiebreaker vs. BU).

    LC BU Colgate: Lehigh needs to win to clinch to No. 1 seed (three way tie situation with Bucknell, but Navy still in the 4-hole with a 7-7 record and we lose that tiebreaker). Loss drops LU to No. 2 seed (still win tiebreaker vs. BU).

    LC Army Navy: Lehigh needs to win to clinch the No. 1 seed (1-1 tie with LC, both 1-1 vs. Bucknell but LC 2-0 vs Navy and Lehigh 0-2 vs. Navy). Loss drops LU to No. 2 seed.

    LC Army Colgate: Lehigh needs to win to clinch the No. 1 seed (1-1 tie with LC, both 1-1 vs. Bucknell but LC 2-0 vs Navy and Lehigh 0-2 vs. Navy). Loss drops LU to No. 2 seed.

    AU BU Navy: Lehigh already clinches the No. 1 seed (Lehigh 1-1 vs. Bucknell. If we win, we win on the seventh tiebreaker in conference vs. Holy Cross (LU 2-0 vs. HC, BU 1-1). If we lose, it comes down to common OOC opponents (LU 3-0, HC 2-1 – we beat Dartmouth and they didn’t), and will play the No. 8 seed Army (only team with 4-10 record).

    AU BU Colgate: Lehigh already clinches the No. 1 seed (Lehigh 1-1 vs. Bucknell. If we win, we win on the seventh tiebreaker in conference vs. Holy Cross (LU 2-0 vs. HC, BU 1-1). If we lose, it comes down to common OOC opponents (LU 3-0, HC 2-1 – we beat Dartmouth and they didn’t), and will play the No. 8 seed Army (only team with 4-10 record)

    AU Army Navy: Lehigh already clinches the No. 1 seed, will play No. 8 seed HC if they win Sat. night (HC three-way tie with Army and Colgate for last spot, HC has 1-3 record vs. Army and Colgate) If LU loses, they play Army (Army and Colgate tied, 1-1 head to head but Colgate’s sweep of HC puts them at No. 7)

    AU Army Colgate: Lehigh already clinches the No. 1 seed, will play No. 8 seed Army if they win Sat night (If HC loses, HC tied with Army at 5-9, HC 1-1 vs. Army but vs. Lafayette HC is 1-1 and Army 0-2. If HC wins, Army is the only team with a 4-10 record.)

    In a nutshell:

    * If Lafayette beats American, we need to win against HC in order to win the regular-season title and get home court at STAR. But worst we could do it is be the No. 2 seed.
    * If American beats Lafayette, we clinch the regular-season title and play (most likely) Army, but possibly Holy Cross.

    #1758
    ngineer
    ngineer
    Participant

    Nuthin better than Lehigh and Lafayette battling it out in the finals to see who goes to "the dance". Hopefully, at the STAR where we have real seats. The old wooden benches in Kirby are getting ‘old’…as am I. ;)

    #1759

    norcalfan
    Participant

    ngineer,

    I am not sure Reed would agree with you:) He has to figure out a way to stop those 3’s. From the win/loss column, it appears that LC continues to roll. They did a nice job against Army.

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