December 14, 2011 at 10:04 pm #4235
Posting an intriguing voy forum post from the Ivy League board… one that’s near and dear to any person who has thought about this issue.
The Patriot League Presidents met over the past two days and apparently have agreed to begin awarding merit-based football scholarships beginning in 2013.
Not sure whether there is a league-wide cap on the number of scholarships, but Holy Cross is apparently going for 57 full scholarships, six under the NCAA limit of 63. (There is a NCAA cap of 85 on the total number of players that can be receiving financial aid.)
This decision would again allow Fordham to compete for the league championship. I don’t know what Georgetown will do, as significant cost issues, related to football scholarships, have existed for that school.
For several of the Patriot League schools, there were significant Title IX repercussions. Don’t know how these are being addressed.
As the Patriot League will continue with its version of the AI and bands, probably have little effect on the quality of recruited players when the generous financial aid packages offered by HYP are considered.
Several of the Patriot League schools, e.g., Colgate, were already spending enough on need-based financial aid that a move to 57 merit-based scholarships should not generate additional cost.December 14, 2011 at 11:58 pm #4238
What does HYP stand for? It’s used repeatedly in the thread linked above.
Is there any substantiation of the reports in that thread?
It’s great news if true, but I thought the PL delayed a vote on scholarships last year for two years. What changed?December 15, 2011 at 12:15 am #4239
"hawktalker" wrote: What does HYP stand for? It’s used repeatedly in the thread linked above.
H-Y-P: Harvard-Yale-Princeton.December 15, 2011 at 2:35 am #4241
This has been reported on the Lafayette board for several weeks now. Apparently Dr Weiss informed the faculty the the PL now had enough votes to approve scholarships. Not sure when this goes into effect or what the details are.December 15, 2011 at 2:03 pm #4242
It appears , if true,to start 2013 class.Given source I am inclined to believe the information.For Weiss to address issue to LC faculty given his prior opposition does indicate a positive vote this week.December 16, 2011 at 4:12 am #4244
Title IX issues?
Maybe that means Lehigh, like many other universities facing such issues, would drop wrestling.
OK — I’m kidding.
Regardless, I’m not in favor of athletic scholarships. Heck, many of the students — particularly those from lower-income families — already get plenty of scholarship money based on need. There’s academic merit $ out there, too.
Somehow Lehigh and the other schools have found a way to compete effectively. We’re supposed to be here for academics first anyway, despite the fact we all think about athletics first on this website.
The PL and Ivy League ought to be admired for its stance on schollies.
I’m ready to take a beating from you guys …December 16, 2011 at 12:29 pm #4246
OK, here is your beating.
Academics would not be impacted by scholarships! PL has an academic index that requires football players to meet the same or better academic profile as all students. There is no change to the AI planned.
Here are some key benefits of scholarships. First, recruiting is much more efficient for the coaches. They can discuss financial impacts right up front, rather than have the recruit submit to the financial office and see what happens. They can go after quality recruits that they now have no chance of landing. Second, we lose some recruits to Ivys which have larger endowment and can offer scholarships to higher income families. Third, we lose some recruits to scholarship programs where the families income prevents them from qualifying for need based $$ at Lehigh.
Would scholarships have a huge impact on Lehigh talent pool, NO. I believe we would be able to land 3 or 4 quality recruits each year with scholarships that we cannot get now. I am saying 3 or 4 future starters that would beat out a current starter (say like a Joey Orlando for instance). This would have a big impact on depth. And although we have few players leave the program, a student on a football scholarship would have more incentive to stay with the program.
Lehigh has been able to recruit better than other PL schools under the current arrangement and thus we have had the most PL success. We should continue to do so. If we are to be competitive on a national level, we need to level the playing field with everyone else. There will always be some recruits that we cannot get due to academics and some that will looking for the football factories of the BCS.December 16, 2011 at 2:09 pm #4247
Iagreewith Van to a point. The current system, with a good recruiting staff has worked pretty well for us. But the limitations inherent in our current approach weremade blatantly clear in the playoffs. We do not have quality depth in most positions . We have a good number of excellent kids who could play anywhere but not nearly enuf to compete consistently outside the PL.
Merit aid is not a guarantee but merely a tool to improve our program( quoting Gate poster). IMHO it will garner 3 or 4 more difference makers each class . Not earth shattering but enuf tomake a significant difference. Also,as with our other scholarship sports, I expect we will get better studentsDecember 16, 2011 at 2:55 pm #4249
Colgate’s model originally suggested that academic talent would actually increase with scholarships!
I’m all for it…December 16, 2011 at 7:21 pm #4256
A comment and a question on this whole subject:
1)I really hope the league takes the plunge this time. It’s remarkable and a tremendous compliment to the Lehigh coaching staff that they have assembled this kind of talent with this disadvantage. How often has a tremendous student & prime Lehigh football recruit, waiting for the results of the financial aid process, heard the Delaware recruiter with a firm $$$ commitment in hand say: "We’d love to have you, but if you are unsure we may have to go to our second choice before we lose him"…….????? And lets all recognize that Delaware is a very fine academic choice for a true student athlete.
2)The Patriot League posts future schedules. Does it mean anything to this discussion that Colgate is scheduled @ Air Force in 2013? Does Air Force assume this will be an FCS "counter" game by then?December 16, 2011 at 7:28 pm #4257
Air Force may not be expecting a bowl bid at any rate. I seem to remember that Gate got a date with Syracuse several years ago.December 16, 2011 at 8:45 pm #4260
"van" wrote: Air Force may not be expecting a bowl bid at any rate. I seem to remember that Gate got a date with Syracuse several years ago.
FWIW I heard it from an excellent source at the time that had Syracuse needed to use their win over Colgate as a bowl counter they could have done so. FBS schools can only use one as a "counter", so technically it didn’t apply that year (they also beat Maine), but Colgate was definitely a "counter" that year.December 17, 2011 at 1:43 am #4261
The Patriot League website has a report on the meeting that says nothing about scholarships:
http://www.patriotleague.org/genrel/121611aab.htmlDecember 17, 2011 at 2:32 pm #4263
Unfortunately standard practice with PL. :lol: Mere fact that Weiss met with lafayette faculty on scholarships, while indicating that PL will go that way, does not compel them to announce it now. Some have posted that there will be no announcement until June
Edit Announcement will be in June per a different source.December 17, 2011 at 9:02 pm #4265
Is that because scholarships won’t be allowed until the 2013 season and the league does not want to impact the recruiting process now underway?
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