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  • #14433

    pafan11
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    Bored and little chatter going on so I’ll throw this out:

    Projected starting lineup next year and first 3 off the bench?

    #14434
    StablerBum
    StablerBum
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    I’ll bite.

    Tim at the 5 is a lock. I think Jesse will start at the 4, although I see JG getting a lot of time at the 4/5 and wouldn’t mind him getting at least equal time to JC. I think Austin will start on one wing with Corey starting as well. At the point, I think Kahron Ross is going to win the job with MS getting good minutes at both the 1 and the 2.

    Starting:
    TK, JC, AP, CS, KR

    First three off the bench will be Justin, Miles, and Glover. I’m also going to make it 4 off the bench since I think Brandon Alston will break into the rotation as well.

    Obviously we haven’t seen the frosh play, but by all accounts Kahron and Brandon especially seem ready to contribute early. I’m also on the record as saying I think Glover will be a solid part of the rotation this year. Long story short this is an early guess at starters, but this team has a LOT of depth (much of it unproven) and not many guys with spots or minutes locked down.

    #14435

    pafan11
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    Solid prediction! I really liked JG improvement last year and would put him ahead of JC, which I know won’t happen as staff seems to really like JC’s upside. Not sure of JRG’s role, tough call. Could be a mass exodus at the end of the year as potential wise I think KR,BA,MS,TJ,AP,JC,CB,JRG,JG,and CR can all play at this level. With TK as the only lock that leaves four spots for 10 players in 15/16 not counting incoming freshman, some of these guys will transfer IMHO.

    #14440

    TMH
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    As always, the starting lineup will be predicated on one’s ability and willingness to play defense. I have no idea what Brett’s projected lineup will be but this is the way I would go.
    Based solely on depth, we will likely send out a PG, 2 wings and 2 FW. TK will certainly man one of the FW spots. I would put JC at the other. I want JGs energy coming off the bench. I suspect however that he will get plenty of minutes. CB (if eligible) will also get his fair share of minutes for rebounding and shot blocking.
    I would start AP and BA at the wings. Both are around 6-5 and will give the team added height and hopefully rebounding. AP will hopefully provide the long ball needed to stretch the defense while BA appears to be a slasher so they should complement each other. I’m starting BA because frankly I think that he may be just that good. I see SC has the guy to replace AP and JRG as the alternative to BA with minutes being allocated according to production. I’m moving CS back to the point this season simply because I want experience there. CS has always seemed to do a good job protecting the ball, making the right pass and has a wonderful outside stroke. I would not be giving him MM minutes though. MS and KR are waiting in the wings and will push for extensive minutes.
    Like always, this is just conjecture but makes for good fodder during this down period.

    #14441

    toddcudd
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    Agreed, of course, that TK is a lock. I’m also with TMH re: CS. I’d be really shocked if he didn’t start at the one. For leadership, experience, ball security – I think he’s a near lock there at the start of the season. I also think we’re likely to see him play off the ball as the season progresses, depending on how MS and KR develop.
    After those 2, the picture gets much more cloudy. As JG’s number one cheerleader, I still believe that he should start at the 4. I realize that this still creates a depth problem, but I’ll contend that you’ve got to play to win – start your best 5. I see CB as first big off the bench at the 4 or 5. I’m going to assume that he learned a lesson and will be eligible – we absolutely need him to be.
    Now I probably start going of the reservation – ha! I’m thinking JC at 3/wing – but might be pressed by JRG, or maybe even KM. Based on what we saw last year in terms of minutes, it’s hard not to see JC starting – but who knows. If either JRG or KM look sharp early, especially if they can get to the rim – maybe JC becomes depth at a big slot?
    The 2 spot is the biggest mystery to me. I’m going to pencil AP in as the starter, but based on the lineup above we might need a 2 with top-notch handle. If BA is ready, I think he could push early for time there too – maybe pushing AP to the wing some? Does JC play some 2? TMH’s thoughts on CS, AP, and BA all on the floor are intriguing to me – especially if BA proves to be the slasher-type. I think SC will also be in the rotation at 2 or 3.
    So the two biggest uncertainties to me are starter at the 2, and JC’s regular position. He was certainly productive last year – but I really struggle to figure out his spot.

    #14449
    StablerBum
    StablerBum
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    Does JC play some 2?

    I hope not. I think JC can still (and will…) be an above average PL starter, but I don’t think he has the ball handling or passing skills to contribute anywhere but the 4. I’m fine with him shooting threes on ‘pick and pops’ and in transition, but otherwise I think he should be 12 feet and in on offense.

    #14450

    toddcudd
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    I hear ya. Like I said, I really struggle to figure out what spot JC belongs in. Unless I’m screwing it up somehow, JC made 41 3s last year, and 55 2s. That’s just really hard for me to reconcile with the 4 position.
    For contrast, in the previous year, HG (a 3 playing as a 4 imo), made 45 3s and 106 2s.
    Interestingly, their rebounding numbers were fairly comparable. To your point, HG had 59 assists to JCs 22.

    #14451

    TMH
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    SB,
    I agree with everything you said. We have an abundance of solid wings. JC absolutely has the body for a 4 or 5. He also has the talent level to play there. After all, he jumps center for us. What he lacks is the mindset (IMHO). Perhaps it is the European mindset to emulate Dirk Nowitski. If TK can school him on post moves and he wraps his mind around the act that he should be guarding the paint, tracking down rebounds, posting up and shoot the occasional 3, we may have a beast. He he continues to think of himself as a glorified guard, we are wasting talent.
    I went to one game (Sacred Heart I think) where TK got into foul trouble early and JC literally took over the game inside. That is his role again only IMO.

    #14460

    lehigh90
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    Another youngish team means Coach leans toward experience. So, I go:

    1 – CS
    2 – AP
    3 – JC
    4 – JG
    5 – TK

    I don’t think you see a frosh in there unless they are wise beyond their years and a lockdown defender. All that said, I am not super excited about that starting 5. So, I’m hopeful we get some freshman impact, and perhaps KR gets a nod at the 1, with CS moving off the ball to the 2. I can’t see BA as a starter unless he clearly beats out AP, who will have a big advantage with his experience. I don’t see JRG starting early, and probably not at all. SC could get a look as a starter in his senior campaign. Really unsure of MS role with the depth at the PG spot.

    #14483

    toddcudd
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    Crappy hoops fans who secretly sleep with stuffed ‘pards don’t say anything in this thread…

    #14484

    toddcudd
    Participant

    …and I’m going with KM as the “surprise” impact player this year. If he doesn’t start the season at 3, he ends up there pretty quickly.

    #14485

    TMH
    Participant

    I understand that once again our starting lineup is a real crap shoot and there are still so many unknowns going into this season (esp how much improvement will we see individually from our rising sophs), but I’m having a difficult time seeing JC as a SF or wing. The man is 6-8,225. He jumps center for us. I don’t want him standing 15-20 ft away from the basket.With a little coaching from TK (the closest thing we have to a big man coach) on how to effectively post up and an attitude adjustment whereby he thinks he owns the paint and we should have another ZC. This team is loaded with wings of all shapes, sizes and skills. AP,SC and TJ look like they can all load it up from the 3. BA and JRG appear to have good penetration moves. Throw CS and MS in the mix and those spots are covered. We lack quality depth ant the #4 and #5, so I certainly don’t want 3 of our 4 scholarship bigs on the court at the same time. I also don’t think JC can effectively cover quick 3s in the open court. Just my opinion.
    My question is how much PT does Doc give our walk-ons. Do they get the same opportunity to prove themselves as the scholarship players in his system?

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