November 7, 2014 at 2:06 pm #16506
I am going to create a new thread and repost this. Since I presented some numbers, it’s been nothing but crickets… Maybe it’s not as easy to fill the needs as we think. So…
There are only 15 scholarships and 4 are taken. So 11 left. People want to load up on linemen. How many of the 11 scholarships are going to OL? DL? DB? I saw someone said K too? Oh and LU needs some “FAST, TALL” WR. How many of the 11 remaining scholarships are being used on them?
Wish list should not just be about needs, but also about availability. Scholarship class sizes have been 19 & 20. Tells me on the high end, 12-13 guys are getting full scholarships. Remaining 7-8 guys are partial scholarships or paying $60,000+ per year (can’t be easy to find families willing to do that). Assuming early commits are full scholarship, there are only 8 or 9 full scholarships left if you want enough bodies to field a team. Over 4 years that still only gets you 75-80 on the roster.
So my question to the guys that have all the answers in here, how are you dividing the remaining 11 scholarships across positions to have a recruiting class of 19 or 20 guys?November 7, 2014 at 3:02 pm #16511
we need a balanced class and with roster limits this is truer than ever
my ideal would be 5 full on offense: OL, QB, RB, WR, best available
5 full on defense: DL, LB, DB, DB, best available
5 partial on O: OL, RB, WR, 3 best available
5 partial on D: DL, LB, DB, 3 best available
so the class would be 2 OL, 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, and 4 best available athletes on O, then 2 DL, 2 LB, 3 DB and 4 best available athletes on D, total of 22November 7, 2014 at 3:22 pm #16514
When you say best available, are you talking about the best football players available or the best players available at the $ you have available?
Now that PL football programs can control the $, the market often dictates the value of prospects. LU can offer a kid a 1/2 scholarship but all it takes is one other PL school to offer full or even 3/4 scholarship and the kid isn’t going to LU.
So my question is, do you match the offer to get the best available football player and know your roster #’s will suffer, or do you let him go to Lafayette and take a worse football player for the 1/2 scholarship you have available?November 7, 2014 at 3:32 pm #16516
Also by your method, you will have 8 OL on your roster, only 4 of which will be full scholarship players. Not to mention 2 of the 8 will be Freshmen, so some of those “best available” on O need to be OL if you want to practice with a scout team let alone field a championship team. Otherwise your putting an OL out there that has 3 full scholarship players or 4 full including a Freshman. And that’s assuming all of your scholarship OL stay healthy and are good players.November 7, 2014 at 3:48 pm #16517
…and you don’t have a Kicker, Punter or Long Snapper on your team…November 7, 2014 at 4:57 pm #16520
Are you confusing “on the team” and “in the recruiting class”.
I envision scholarship allocation much like a GM working a salary cap. The biggest difference is that in college, you evaluate each of your recruits based on talent and assign an allocation accordingly. If another Patriot League school evaluates them differently, then in our estimation, they are “over-paying”. The contention though that an athlete would simply jump at a 3/4 scholarship vs a 1/2 scholarship may not be entirely accurate though. There are a lot of factor that go into a college decision. From a football standpoint, it could be the quality of the program, bonding with the coaches or future teammates. It could academic. It could even be the campus. There is an art form to selling the college.
The last difference however is position. Many, if not most of our recruits play on both sides of the ball. They may play OL and DL, LB or TE, RB or DB. Their position may be based on need.November 7, 2014 at 8:18 pm #16529
The way the rules are set up now, “on the team” and “in the recruiting class” are the same exact thing.
You’re not being realistic if you think someone is going to go to LU over another PL school when one of those schools is offering $15,000-$20,000 more per year than LU is. Kids are not choosing PL schools because of football. They are choosing to play in the PL because of the education which is basically equal at all PL schools. It boils down to $. It did when it was non-scholarship and still does now with scholarships. Kids go to the school that offers them the most $. Not only for the obvious financial benefit, but the thought is the school that offers the most $ wants me the most. I would think the other factors you mention come into play when the $ is equal.
There is a slightly better chance on beating a CAA school like Maine or UNH that offers 3/4 while LU offers 1/2 because of the education, but beating another PL school is not realistic IMO.November 7, 2014 at 10:50 pm #16533
I would not target a scholarship for a kicker, punter or long snapper in next years class.November 7, 2014 at 10:54 pm #16534
Likely that at least one of the “best available” would be an OL, however there are 3 OL graduating this year, one of which is Rugg who I believe has been injured, so really only 2 leaving program that are “on the team right now”November 9, 2014 at 1:29 am #16547
LU — last time I heard — pays full financial aid to families making less than $60k a year, with a graduating scale above that. The farther south you head, the easier it is to find families — especially with single moms — who make less than $60k a year.
Unless there’s some new rule I do not know about passed with scholarships, aren’t LU’s endowment, financial aid policy beneficial when compared to other FCS conferences, some PL schools?November 9, 2014 at 3:33 pm #16574
All forms of financial aid count towards the PL limit of 60 scholarships. So yes, LU can find a recruit from a low income family that qualifies for full tuition based on need, but it still counts as one of their 60 football scholarships.
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