Temple Cuts 7 Sports

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    TMH
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    Baseball, softball, men’s indoor and outdoor track, men’s and women’s rowing and men’s gymnastics.

    I wonder what impact this will have on Lehigh and the rest of the Patriot League.

    #12570

    toddcudd
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    Been thinking about this a lot since I saw the news yesterday. Been researching revenue/expense, with limited success. Here’s the best thing I could find:

    http://goo.gl/DreJnN

    I guess the most noteworthy thing there is that Temple reports football expenses in the neighborhood of $13 million, while Lehigh reports something in the neighborhood of $4 million. I’m focusing on this because I can’t help but wonder if Temple is sacrificing these other sports to benefit football. This data reports football as break-even, but I believe that to be accounting smoke and mirrors. Because Temple (like Lehigh) is private, they don’t report the details that the state schools do, so I can’t determine how much of the football “revenue” is actually allocation from the University.
    I exchanged messages on twitter with Keith Groller, and his thinking is similar – football is hemorrhaging money. His thought was that Temple should drop to FCS football. Can anybody help me understand the expense impact between FBS and FCS? I’m sure the amount of scholarship money figures in, but what else?

    #12571
    RichH
    RichH
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    22 more schollies,avg higher pay for all coaches ,travel but even total of these does not approach the differential between LU and TU,,IMO.I would look to the guarantee $$ for TU home and away,ie how much they get away vs how much they have have to pay for home. Also stadium expenses.
    TU owl may be able to answer some of these. I’ll ask.

    #12573
    RichH
    RichH
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    owl replied that Linc costs 1.5M per and Rhule’s salary is 1M+. He cant figure out the rest either.

    #12574

    lehigh90
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    Temple is a public university. Their football bleeds money. They have been trying forever to make football relevant but they can’t draw flies to the Linc and nobody cares about Temple football. It is a basketball school, and I would think basketball revenues are bigger than football though they don’t draw great at Liacorous Ctr. I was there this week for a game vs Big 5 rival, St Joe’s, and even that game was not a sellout.

    I think they were relevant in men’s rowing, and perhaps woman’s, but probably not the other lost sports. I know a kid who rowed there and stroked a gold medal U.S. boat in the Olympics.

    #12584

    toddcudd
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    Thanks, 90. I stand corrected, yet again. For some reason, in my head, I’ve always had Temple as private. Oops. That actually makes the expense part even more puzzling; their schollies are less expense to the athletic department than I assumed. I’m also confused as to why I can’t find better revenue info for Temple – I was assuming it was because they are private. They don’t even have an entry in USA Today’s athletics financials database. Odd.

    I found an article – a posting by Temple’s AD in 2011. This section in particular largely answers the revenue question, I think.

    Approximately 75% of the total athletics budget is subsidized by the University in the form of a financial aid subsidy and a cash operating subsidy. In other words, the athletics department is generating enough revenue to cover about 25% of our expenses.

    I’d still really like to understand where all of their football expense is going. I think it would be educational as the D1 re-org plans shape up. Here’s the complete post from Temple’s AD:

    http://owlsports.com/news/2011/5/25/GEN_0525110551.aspx

    #12585
    RichH
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    Nice find Todd. Interesting. Agree tho that it does not clariy where the money is going. The scholarship cost per player is less than LU’s. Staff salaries probably much higher. A wash? Stadium rental given attendance figures a dead loss.r some reason.
    I wonder if the #s are agenda driven for some reason.

    #12587

    toddcudd
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    To 90s point about Temple’s relevance in the other sports, and for “full disclosure”: i’m a former track guy, and have always really enjoyed track and field. The Penn Relays are an absolute marquee event for track, and it’s painful to me that a Big 5 school won’t compete in that big-time, home-town event anymore.

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