Time for Andy to go

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  • #22361
    sundayamqb
    sundayamqb
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    Well said, Hawkineer!

    • This reply was modified 5 years ago by sundayamqb sundayamqb.
    #22364

    Miller
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    Agree with brucesprin, Andy is a good person to have as a HC. We do miss great coordinators. You cannot always be on top,we had a great run and will return. We must pay more $$ to assistant coaches to get a good/great staff. Some of you posters are clueless……Hello Buck

    • This reply was modified 5 years ago by  Miller.
    #22377
    ngineer
    ngineer
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    [quote=22360]I guess I don’t understand the athletic mission. I believe everyone on this board understands that the PL is not the SEC or Big 10. However, it doesn’t seem unreasonable that we are competitive with the CAA and dominate the Ivies and NEC. We certainly were and did prior to scholarships. If the “purpose of football at PL schools is to provide a nice compliment as a great education and leadership experience”, what was the purpose of going to scholarships? This could have been accomplished with need based grants. Why not just follow the Georgetown model?

    I thought the purpose of schollies was to take the program to the next level and be competitive nationally at the FCS level (not the FBS level!!!!!!).If the mission is not to do this, then the athletic partnership has seen my last dollar going to football, because I believe I was mislead.

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    Since when have we ever been competitive with the CAA and dominate the IL? We’ve a few ‘moments’ but nothing that I would call dominating. Further the IL has upgraded their athletic recruiting by lowering academic bands (Penn has accepted a number of players our admissions office nixed), and throwing a lot of money. All students who come from homes with joint income of $150K or less go for free. That is a scholarship regardless the label you place on it. Yes, the PL has upped the ante by going scholarship in order to compete with the national FCS scene, but others continue to upgrade as well. After another couple years, we might be more competitive. It’s taken Fordham about 5-6 years of scholarships to get where they are. I see us being competitive down the road, but we won’t be dominating. One problem is that we all got spoiled by the run from 1998-2004 and a nice burst from 2010-13. Cycles come and go. Look through the Lehigh record book, regardless of coach, everyone suffered through some doldrums. Key is whether the coach makes the needed changes to come out of the doldrums.

    #22381
    hawkineer
    hawkineer
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    Seems like competitive and dominance recently.

    2010 2-0 vs IL
    2011 Lose in OT to UNH,defeat Towson.
    2012 2-0 vs IL
    2013 Defeat UNH, 2-0 vs IL

    #22386

    Neighbor
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    I take hawkineer’s view. What’s the point of all this? If not winning, it shouldn’t matter who coaches or who plays. Also not if anyone comes to watch.

    School-branded athletic competition is important to the well-being of students, alums, and the greater local community. Success is appealing. Enjoying the ‘winning’ is why most people remain interested. It’s important for supporters to know the school’s commitment to that goal is strong and steady, NOT a casual effort.

    I’m not nearly as tolerant with mediocrity as many who contribute here. But, that’s a choice we all can make. Based upon crowd size, media attention, and most importantly, student interest, I’m not alone in turning away.

    Right now, the Lehigh football program is mired in disappointment, and evidence of participant desire to change all of that is missing. This is ‘going through the motions,’ instead of battle, it seems.

    I mean, who wants to be like Lafayette?

    #22388

    objective observer
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    Remember the movie – Hoosiers – Gene Hackman is at the meeting and he is about to be fired – because they lost one game- the only person that sees his plan is the town drunk “shooter” – BE PATIENT – THERE IS A PLAN!

    Also- remember, the post are read by the boys that play on the team and this affects the program- NO MATTER WHAT IF YOU ARE A TRUE FAN OF LEHIGH! BE POSITIVE KEEP YOUR NEGATIVE COMMENTS TO YOURSELF – DONT SHARE ONLINE!

    As for the plan- you now have 3 years of scholarship players- recruiting is like playing the lottery- some times you hit the jackpot and sometimes you lose- Lehigh is first and foremost and academic school- that is why most of the scholarship players come here! they are provided with a opportunity of a lifetime – to get a great education and play football

    The underclassmen are producing – and you see glimmers of a very good football team vs. Penn and Central Connecticut

    BE PATIENT – THERE IS A PLAN- AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS!

    YOU have the right to comment- but be positive when commenting –

    #22390

    Boss21
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    Amen!!! Couldn’t have said it
    better. The players ABSOLUTELY read these comments. holyloch61 Be
    positive or go find another hobby that involves you being alone at your computer.

    #22391

    lu90
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    [quote=22388]
    The underclassmen are producing – and you see glimmers of a very good football team vs. Penn and Central Connecticut

    BE PATIENT – THERE IS A PLAN- AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS!

    YOU have the right to comment- but be positive when commenting –

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    It is extremely hard to be positive about regression, especially when that regression started at the same time we started offering scholarships. So forgive us if we are not content with beating Penn and CCSU? We did that before scholarships. We got dismantled by Princeton and JMU and looked utterly lost on both sides of the ball against Yale.
    What exactly is the Plan? In regards to life outside the Patriot League, I’d argue that this team is less relevant now than before we offered scholarships.

    #22393

    LehighGuy
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    Ngineer its not quite true what you said about a kid going to Ivies for free. If your parents make 100K, you would have to pay at LEAST 10% of tuition. If they make a combined of under $60,000 its free at ALL the Ivies. We should be MORE than competetive with ALL the Ivies except maybe HYP. Kids and parents would pick those three schools over scholarships because of name alone. That being said, LU has probably the best talent it EVER has had based recruiting sites and kids with other scholarship offers. You cant compare this team with othe LU teams who played OTHER schools with non scholly players. The whole dynamic of the PL has changed because of schollies, everyone is getting kids they had NO chance of landing and making i more competetive across the board. COACHING is what sets a school apart when evryone has talent.

    #22396

    Neighbor
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    All this ‘keep all remarks positive’ is nonsense!

    Football is a big boy sport that requires strong men, driven by demanding and active managers.

    Sometimes a ‘kick in the ass’ is exactly what’s needed. THIS is one of those times.

    #22397

    TMH
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    Interestingly Princeton had about 125 members listed on their football roster.

    #22398

    objective observer
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    LU90

    There are really only two solid years of scholarship players!

    GIVE IT TIME!
    Lehigh probably has the best two freshman running backs in the league and a lot of underclassmen are playing- If I am a betting man- the 2017 football team will be a team to reckon with!!

    JMU- have fifth year seniors- at this point in time- they are better- that is ok- you can’t be undefeated all the time

    As for Princeton and Yale- yes they could have played much better-

    There is something going on with this team, I cant place my finger on it but from sideline observations they are not yet there as a complete team! it is like there are personality conflicts amongst the players

    I was told by coaches –

    It is the little things that win football games and at this point that is not happening- there seems like there is some selfishness occurring on the team? Anyway

    players are turning the ball over-
    players dropping passes at crucial times-
    players getting penalties-
    not capitalizing on turnovers
    poor special teams- the kick returner for bucknell had 127 yards in kickoff yards- with an 85 yard touchdown

    Finally – I do see a plan- we have the probably the two best young running backs in the league- I saw #3 crying after the game on the bench- and saw him make a great catch at the end of the game- this is what the team needs- a strong desire to win- and never give up!- Observations have been made that not all the players give 110%

    And I know for a fact- that these coaches want to win- and are providing the players with the tools and information to win- what the players do with this information is up to them- remember the coaches cant play the game

    I never met a coach in my life that likes to lose-give it time- I guarantee improvement- I have faith and confidence in this coaching staff- they are full of character and care about the players- Nick Saban probably doesn’t know any 3rd or 4th string players names- that is why they use tape at practice on their helmets- these coaches are personal and I would take that any day for my child!

    #22422

    Miller
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    coaches should NEVER throw players under the bus We all see what is happening on the field , but the coaches hold MUCH responsibility! I never met a coach that wants to lose either, but I met many that were in over their head.

    • This reply was modified 5 years ago by  Miller.
    #22435

    LehighGuy
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    Objective observer…..what position do you coach! Please don’t tell me DBS! :)

    #22439
    StablerBum
    StablerBum
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    Finally – I do see a plan- we have the probably the two best young running backs in the league- I saw #3 crying after the game on the bench- and saw him make a great catch at the end of the game- this is what the team needs- a strong desire to win- and never give up!- Observations have been made that not all the players give 110%

    And I know for a fact- that these coaches want to win- and are providing the players with the tools and information to win- what the players do with this information is up to them- remember the coaches cant play the game

    I have to take some exception here. If the players (recruited by this staff btw) are not giving full effort, I believe that a LARGE part of that responsibility falls on the coaches. They are responsible for developing a culture of accountability and competitiveness. If there are players (that the coaching staff recruited) that are not giving full effort, that is a major problem – and I would argue that is a top down problem.

    I personally have not watched enough to have any opinion of the level of effort given, but if there is not 100% effort – that is only the coaches as much or more than the players.

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