Worst play Call of the Day

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  • #1087

    JJH
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    What about that FG attempt late in the 3rd period (I think). 4th and 2 from the HC 30? In the stands we were debating whether the call should be Campbell with a run or a short pass by Clark.
    Either one would have been better than attempting a 47-yard kick by an inexperienced kicker. Yeah, I know it was down wind, but still……. JJH

    #1089

    lu90
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    I didn’t think it was that bad of a decision to try the FG there. I think the announcers said it was a 44 yarder with a "stiff wind" at his back, hence the timeout with 8 seconds. FG attempt and subsequent kickoff would be with the "wind". Since I was not there, I could not attest to the "wind". He seemed to have no problem with the 39 yarder on the next series against the "wind".

    Peery has been pretty solid since taking over. 4-5 on FG and 7-7 on PAT’s. As a matter of fact he is now our second leading scorer.

    Penalties were our killer today. 9 – 91 yards called on us, some bad, bad calls against us and at least 3 missed holding calls on HC that the refs missed. I didn’t really come away from that game thinking the offense played that bad. 200 yards rushing and almost 200 passing and NO turnovers.

    #1091

    JJH
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    I think "stiff wind" is an exaggeration, at least compared to what we’ve seen in recent weeks. It was across the field and behind, from the direction of Stabler. I would estimate at no more than 10-15mph.
    I agreed with the second attempt, which was 10 yards shorter, but into the same wind. In that case it was 4th and 9, so going for it would have been fool hardy.
    I don’t care if Peery is a potential NFL prospect. A FG in that position was nutso, especially as the offense was having a good day. JJH

    #1093
    RichH
    RichH
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    Kid has a big leg. While I would have preferred to put it all on the line and go for the 1st, cant say it was a bad call with a wind athis back

    #1095
    ngineer
    ngineer
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    The worst call of the day was that stupid reverse to Flynn in the fourth quarter that lost about 10 yards. We had already done it earlier in the game for a ‘big’ 6 yard gain. You don’t do it again as any decent defense will see it coming. We got away from ‘moving the chains’ with basic fundamental runs and possession passes. Brown has to go back to his addiction of needing ‘the big play’, when all we need to do is move the chains, and we were doing it. That opening drive was a thing of beauty and shows what we can do.

    #1097

    lu90
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    During Pregame they were saying he made a 50 yd FG in practice this week. I know, I know, it’s practice. But they were talking his range up a little.

    #1104
    sundayamqb
    sundayamqb
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    I think the FG attempt was reasonable. Peery’s seems like the real deal.

    While I like some of the "trick" plays — like two of the TDs — injected into the offense lately some of them (ie: the Flynn reverse) have just too much downside.

    Since Game 1, the OC has underutilized the running game. Since Game 1, I felt it was going to be good, and Campbell has shown he can do a great job. (I’d like to see Barket and Walker get some more carries, too … and Clark needs to step out of the pocket and run more when he sees pressure.)

    This team runs the ball enough to use a smashmouth running game against most teams; mixed with some play-action passes — used effectively Saturday. Clark and Co. have been too inconsistent to pass on first down and have an incompletion, ’cause those third and longs are tough to convert. The lack of this team’s ability to pick up six or seven yards regularly on slant plays — given the talent it has — is as obscene as the lack of discipline (read, penalties) on O and ST.

    Hat’s off the the defense. It’s a shame Benning’s and Cohen’s senior years will be a virtual waste.

    All this said, I think Coen deserves one more year — with a short leash, perhaps a mandate to bring in a new OC who potentially can be groomed as a successor. The underclassmen he and his team have recruited, particularly on D, are a group of fine ballplayers.

    And that’s the shame: There is some real talent on both sides of the ball. The lack of execution, though, is really sad. Higgins’ teams seemed really focused/disciplined — where has that gone?

    Coen’s teams have been consistent the past few years: Offenses that can’t execute, with Sedale’s leadership on down. That should send some kind of message — that new coaching leadership is needed on O. Will Andy risk his career to save Brown?

    #1106
    RichH
    RichH
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    Andy’s loyalty to Brown from his Penn days is admirable. Brown is a chess player not a postion coach. Like Weiss at ND, no playing experience. In the right situation they can be verygood. This offense needs coaching not a chess man. . I know only what the bios say about the coaches but after 4 yrs the program has flatlined. Coen has recruited very well brought in a lot of great kids. Clear that the kids love and respect him. They come out each week and try harder and harder to win. Still mistakes eachgame and every year. This year because of youth. The position coaches have failed to enable these kids to improve.

    Sterrett has the call. Whether Andy stays or any of the coaches on offense is going to be his decision not Andy’s. Can Andy hire the right coaches to teach these kids???

    #1109
    hawkineer
    hawkineer
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    "sundayamqb" wrote: I think the FG attempt was reasonable. Peery’s seems like the real deal.

    While I like some of the "trick" plays — like two of the TDs — injected into the offense lately some of them (ie: the Flynn reverse) have just too much downside.

    Since Game 1, the OC has underutilized the running game. Since Game 1, I felt it was going to be good, and Campbell has shown he can do a great job. (I’d like to see Barket and Walker get some more carries, too … and Clark needs to step out of the pocket and run more when he sees pressure.)

    This team runs the ball enough to use a smashmouth running game against most teams; mixed with some play-action passes — used effectively Saturday. Clark and Co. have been too inconsistent to pass on first down and have an incompletion, ’cause those third and longs are tough to convert. The lack of this team’s ability to pick up six or seven yards regularly on slant plays — given the talent it has — is as obscene as the lack of discipline (read, penalties) on O and ST.

    Hat’s off the the defense. It’s a shame Benning’s and Cohen’s senior years will be a virtual waste.

    All this said, I think Coen deserves one more year — with a short leash, perhaps a mandate to bring in a new OC who potentially can be groomed as a successor. The underclassmen he and his team have recruited, particularly on D, are a group of fine ballplayers.

    And that’s the shame: There is some real talent on both sides of the ball. The lack of execution, though, is really sad. Higgins’ teams seemed really focused/disciplined — where has that gone?

    Coen’s teams have been consistent the past few years: Offenses that can’t execute, with Sedale’s leadership on down. That should send some kind of message — that new coaching leadership is needed on O. Will Andy risk his career to save Brown?

    Based on almost everything you said, you lost me with the "I think Coen deserves one more year". Obviously, not a big fan of the Truman concept that the buck stops here. Andy is the senior manager. It’s his friggin’ responsibility – period. Despite the fact that one of his subordinates (Brown) has been ineffective for multiple years, the team is undisciplined (penalties) and lacks execution, and QBs haven’t improved a lick, Andy’s 4-year performance and results still warrant another year. WOW! :shock: In my opinion, the only coach on this staff that has earned future employment is Kotulski. The defense’s performance and effort all year has been well ahead of the offense and special teams.

    #1110

    lu90
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    Even with the recent performance, not sure he (Coen/Brown) deserves one more game, much less another year. Let me outline how 2010 will lay out if that happens.

    1. Some hype, young team got better. Projected Top 3 in Patriot League. Noticeable performance increases expected.
    2. Game 1 will be an OOC opponent we have a very good chance to beat. We’ll be flat, it’ll probably rain and we’ll lose.
    3. Game 2 will be an OOC opponent (probably Top 20 ranked, ie, Villanova). We’ll lose by 2 TD’s but play OK
    4. Game 3 will be an Ivy we should beat, we won’t. Probably raining again. Probably lose by less then a TD.
    5. Game 4 & 5 will be other Ivy’s we should beat, win one, lose one.
    6. 1-4 going into conference play.
    7. We’ll beat Bucknell and Georgetown, lose two games to equal conference opponents. This will sandwich a "good" win against an equal team from conference.
    8. Then we’ll beat Lafayette for the 3rd year in a row and Tavani and Carney2’s head will explode simultaneously. 5-6!
    9. Offseason-"we beat Lafayette again and had an impressive win against XXX. One more year?"
    10. Sound familiar?

    NO BLEEPING WAY!!!!!

    P.S. – Let me add that this in NO WAY reflects on the players. From the HC game and some games over the last couple years, you can see the talent on the roster. Talent that right now should be 6-3, not 2-7. Coen may be a good person. I think he is a good recruiter. Previous resume shows success as a coordinator. Head Coach? I think the jury has come back with a verdict.

    #1111
    ngineer
    ngineer
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    Peery has a good leg. I saw him hit from 47 yards in August and he had at least 10 yards to spare. As a frosh, a lot of upside potential.

    I agree on the Brown observations..his ‘intellectual’ approach is not needed. We need an OC and QB coach who can teach fundamentals and how to read a secondary. Brown, like too many coaches, are influenced by watching too much NFL in having to always throw the ball deep, even if you can’t, eithe because of insufficient pass protection or wrs who cannot get separation or a QB who hasn’t learned to find wide open receivers. These guys need to be ‘coached up’ as the current saying goes.

    The Defense staff seems to have finally melded into a scheme that the players are comfortable with. I was never sold on the 3-4, but so long as we have the mobile beef up front and quick tough LBs to fly to the ball, it can work, especially since we usually bring four with one of the LBs.

    The special teams play was horrible last Saturday with all the ‘blocking in the back’ penalties that cost some good field position. I find it hard to believe what is so difficult about not hitting someone who’s back number is facing you.. :?:

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