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  • #22385

    just a fan
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    #25 came in due to injury and made impact plays. Replace the other side #17 on the 2 deep roster go to 4-3 and lets ride

    #22389

    Boss21
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    The others are right, first round draft pick of the Eagles, Nelson Agholor from USC played with Mayes at Berkeley Prep in Tampa.

    I have a question for holyloch61. Are you Shaf’s father or
    grandfather or which relative? The reason I ask is because anytime someone says something negative about Shaf you go nuts. Also, who else would bash the new freshman QB but a relative of the starter. Seems like you’re taking it quite personal and really doing a lot of research to discredit a kid you don’t even know. Why else would you be so against a new recruit when you’ve never seen him play. I don’t think I have seen anyone else on this forum bash a player like you do with Mayes.

    I would think as a “fan” you would want what was best for the team no matter who is on the field.

    It’s pretty transparent and
    pathetic.

    #22403

    holyloch61
    Participant

    Boss I am neither ,but a FOOTBALL fan and LEHIGH fan .MAYBE you are MAYES father or Grandfather ??? Only putting my 2 cents in just like everyone else . I don’t see you going off on other people who comment and put the blame on the Lehigh QB .I NEVER BASHED MAYES until some comments were made that he WAS A REAL QB .I suppose the guys would made these comments must have seen him play or are they his RELATIVES ,ARE YOU one of his relatives ??? I guess it’s okay when other guys bitch about SHAF ,he runs to much ,he doesn’t stay in the pocket ,he misses open receivers and on and on .ARE these guys being PATHETIC ,I guess not ,not in your mind .How did I bash MAYES ??? By telling someone to look up his STATS when he played .If that PIST YOU OFF ,than MAYBE you are his FATHER or GRANDFATHER or his RELATIVE .WHICH one is it ???? What I don’t like is HOW people want to replace the QB who is one of the top QB’s in the PL that is my gripe and it will be until Shaf shows he should not be the starting QB .

    #22409

    Boss21
    Participant

    [quote=22403]Boss I am neither ,but a FOOTBALL fan and LEHIGH fan .MAYBE you are MAYES father or Grandfather ??? Only putting my 2 cents in just like everyone else . I don’t see you going off on other people who comment and put the blame on the Lehigh QB .I NEVER BASHED MAYES until some comments were made that he WAS A REAL QB .I suppose the guys would made these comments must have seen him play or are they his RELATIVES ,ARE YOU one of his relatives ??? I guess it’s okay when other guys bitch about SHAF ,he runs to much ,he doesn’t stay in the pocket ,he misses open receivers and on and on .ARE these guys being PATHETIC ,I guess not ,not in your mind .How did I bash MAYES ??? By telling someone to look up his STATS when he played .If that PIST YOU OFF ,than MAYBE you are his FATHER or GRANDFATHER or his RELATIVE .WHICH one is it ???? What I don’t like is HOW people want to replace the QB who is one of the top QB’s in the PL that is my gripe and it will be until Shaf shows he should not be the starting QB .

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    I am one of Mayes’ former coaches in Tampa. I don’t care about the anonymity of this forum. So yes I am biased to the freshman QB, which is why I did take offense to you calling him out or bashing him or however you want to describe it.

    You have me a little confused though. I was not saying that you were complaining about the QB’s. All I was saying was every time someone mentions Mayes you “put your two cents” in. Read back what you just said. You said and I quote, “I never bashed Mayes until some comments were made that he was a real QB”. First of all, why would you have a problem with someone saying that he’s a real QB? I don’t get it, why, please explain. Second, you just admitted that you bashed him.

    It just seems that it has been more personal when someone talks positively about Mayes or negatively about Shaf. If you’re not his relative then you must be his biggest fan.

    However, I am in agreement with you. Shaf is not the problem. He is a good QB and more important a good leader for the team. He plays with a lot of heart, which seems to be lacking out there. There is a long list of problems with this team and the QB position is way down on that list.

    As for Mayes’ stats and the small school he played at with no championship seasons…all true. However, this is the same small school with no championships that Nelson Agholor played for, who was a first round pick of the Eagles. Mayes was a freshman on the team when Agholor was a senior. As we all know, stats, records and championships or the lack of do not make the player. Away from the school and away from his team, Mayes competed at the highest level at every camp, every combine and every QB competition he attended. He was subsequently ranked as a 3-star on Rivals, 247sports and Scout. He was only downgraded to a 2-star by Rivals after he committed to Lehigh. Mayes was for the better part of his high school career ranked in the top 20-25 for pro-style QB’s in the nation. At one point, 247sports had him ranked as the 14th best pro-style QB in the nation and had him rated as a 4-star. He did have a few FBS offers and a lot of FBS attention. However, because of his lack of 4.5 speed, which I believe you pointed out as well, and his lack of 6’3″-6’4″ height, the big schools didn’t offer. To my understanding, he was told by several Big5 schools that if he was 6’3″-6’4″ he would have had 20 FBS offers. The Elite 11, which is the only QB rating competition in the country with any credibility rated him as a top 40 QB in the country out of thousands and thousands of high school QB’s. He was also selected to the Blue-Grey All-American Game, as was freshman WR Bianchini.

    That being said, as one of Mayes’ former coaches, I am still able to look at the QB situation objectively, and admit that this is Shaf’s team, he is a good QB and a good leader, and he is getting it done with total offense every week. The QB is not the team’s problem. Mayes will have his shot and I know he will prove to you and others why most feel he is a “real QB”.

    I have learned after following this forum for a little while now, that most of you former players or crazed fans have a hard time being positive about anything. No one is ever hesitant on calling a player out or a coach out, etc.

    But I guess all of you former college all-americans and hall of fame coaches have earned that right.

    I am hoping that this ends our discussion holyloch61. If not, I will be attending one of the games this year and I would love to get together and finish it in person. I mean so many things get lost unless the conversation is face to face. Let me know.

    #22411
    RichH
    RichH
    Participant

    Well said Boss. Some of the posters here are a tad hyperbolc :) The one common factor is all are fervent fans. The mood swings ,I’ve learned,go both ways. The angst you are seeing is mostly due to disappointed expectations and that we usually beat Ivies over the last decade or so. Agree,QB , nor any skills on O,are the problem. OL and failure or inability to adjust play calls are current issues.

    #22417

    objective observer
    Participant

    If you are close to football you would understand besides the quarterback position the hardest areas to recruit players are Offensive Lineman, Defensive Lineman, and a shut down corner

    Look at the NFL draft- in the first ten picks these guys are now being chosen- when I was a kid it was the running back- your lucky to see a running back go in the first 20 picks

    Football is an evolving game- lineman are the hardest positions to recruit- ask Penn State

    ask any college coach- some big colleges will recruit 8 lineman and be lucky if two turn out to be good- go to past recruiting years for some of the larger schools that have 25 scholarships a year- you will see that I am correct on my statements

    It isn’t anyone fault- of losing- it is what do we need to do to start winning

    If you ever coached two things are nearly impossible to coach that is aggressiveness- either you have or not- and motivation —- finding what makes a player tick!

    #22418

    lfnadmin
    Keymaster

    I think I speak for most when I say I’m excited to see how far Shaf can take us this year and also excited to see where Brad Mayes can take us in the future. There isn’t a QB controversy. Shaf is No. 1, Mayes is next up if Shaf goes down. That’s a great credit to both guys. So let’s move on to Bucknell.

    #22419

    Miller
    Participant

    Stop by by my tailgate Boss, good food and conversation. Thanks for posting.

    #22420

    TMH
    Participant

    lfnaddmin,
    Amen!!

    #22438
    sundayamqb
    sundayamqb
    Participant

    Boss21:

    Thanks for joining in.

    I think one of the reasons there’s negativity on this board — the most for a long time, since the last time fans were calling for Coen’s head (and I did not) — is the expectation of annually being 1 or 2 in the PL and being ranked in the FCS.

    That IS the same expectation of the coaches and players, or they wouldn’t be here.

    Two losing seasons — and who knows what will happen this year — would be tough to stomach. Three straight losses to Lafayette has happened only once in my lifetime and would be unacceptable to alumni — many of whom help fund this university.

    Most people on this board bleed brown.

    Many went to Lehigh, where we were taught to be accountable for the results of our actions. We expect the same from our coaches.

    And some of us are not real keen on athletic scholarships. We remember days — like 2010 — when we competed on the national stage without them.

    Some of us would like to see accountability on the part of players we’re paying to not only play for us, but who get a free world-class education.

    This board was almost dead when we were winning big …

    #22446

    NJLehighFan
    Participant

    I really don’t understand the issue with PL scholarships. All the PL schools are in the same situation. It is just another part of the game that needs to be optimized. But it’s more recruiting than the check writing that is the challenge. We brought in 33 freshman and PL allows 15 scholarships a year. So just by the math more than 50% don’t get them or all only get partial. If a kid gets 2300 on the sat and Lehigh gives them a 50% merit scholarship are they gonna study less when they get here? So why have issue if a top high school football player gets an athletic scholarship and decides to come to LU because he has the brains to handle the academics. I compared the PL recruiting classes of all PL teams as they are published on the PL website. We brought in a very talented class this year and I’m sure the coaches are already looking for the next batch.

    http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/patr/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2014-15/misc_non_event/PLFootballRecruitingClass.pdf

    #22449

    objective observer
    Participant

    Dear sundayamqb

    Lets take your comment about scholarship players
    first- please do not think these are dumb football players who are receiving these scholarships- these gentlemen are the top in their classes and the leaders in their schools

    as for scholarship- ask Fordham how they are doing? they started offering scholarships in 2010- 3 years ahead of Lehigh!

    Fordham is now a extremely good football team directly due to offering scholarships

    Watch the talent level in 2017 and 18 at Lehigh – you will see a big difference- bigger size – speed and talent level

    #22463
    ngineer
    ngineer
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    [quote=22417]If you are close to football you would understand besides the quarterback position the hardest areas to recruit players are Offensive Lineman, Defensive Lineman, and a shut down corner

    Look at the NFL draft- in the first ten picks these guys are now being chosen- when I was a kid it was the running back- your lucky to see a running back go in the first 20 picks

    Football is an evolving game- lineman are the hardest positions to recruit- ask Penn State

    ask any college coach- some big colleges will recruit 8 lineman and be lucky if two turn out to be good- go to past recruiting years for some of the larger schools that have 25 scholarships a year- you will see that I am correct on my statements

    It isn’t anyone fault- of losing- it is what do we need to do to start winning

    If you ever coached two things are nearly impossible to coach that is aggressiveness- either you have or not- and motivation —- finding what makes a player tick!

    [/quote]

    True. Except you forgot a third thing that cannot be coached–speed.

    #22464
    ngineer
    ngineer
    Participant

    [quote=22438]Boss21:

    Thanks for joining in.

    I think one of the reasons there’s negativity on this board — the most for a long time, since the last time fans were calling for Coen’s head (and I did not) — is the expectation of annually being 1 or 2 in the PL and being ranked in the FCS.

    That IS the same expectation of the coaches and players, or they wouldn’t be here.

    Two losing seasons — and who knows what will happen this year — would be tough to stomach. Three straight losses to Lafayette has happened only once in my lifetime and would be unacceptable to alumni — many of whom help fund this university.

    Most people on this board bleed brown.

    Many went to Lehigh, where we were taught to be accountable for the results of our actions. We expect the same from our coaches.

    And some of us are not real keen on athletic scholarships. We remember days — like 2010 — when we competed on the national stage without them.

    Some of us would like to see accountability on the part of players we’re paying to not only play for us, but who get a free world-class education.

    This board was almost dead when we were winning big …

    [/quote]

    Few if any are getting a “free world class education.” Most of the scholarships are wacked up with 1/4 and 1/2 rides. Keep in mind, with the scholarships we cannot, per PL regulations, use grant-in-aid money.

    #22466
    RichH
    RichH
    Participant

    Not quite accurate fan. We can use need aid in combination with athletic aid. The issue is ,unlike everyine else,PL counts ALL aid towards our PL cao. Partials are almost always 1/2.

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